1 00:00:01,625 --> 00:00:03,500 {\an8}-Look at that. {\an8}-What is that? 2 00:00:03,542 --> 00:00:05,041 {\an8}THOMAS: {\an7}There's a helicopter coming in. 3 00:00:05,083 --> 00:00:06,375 That dude's hovering right there. 4 00:00:06,417 --> 00:00:08,875 THOMAS: I think somebody's watching us right now. 5 00:00:08,917 --> 00:00:11,041 There's something going on out here. 6 00:00:11,083 --> 00:00:13,417 TRAVIS: What in the world? {\an1}There's no sign of struggle. 7 00:00:13,458 --> 00:00:14,500 It's just dead. 8 00:00:14,542 --> 00:00:16,709 -(beeping) -The meter is going nuts. 9 00:00:16,750 --> 00:00:17,834 {\an1}All the frequencies are excited. 10 00:00:17,875 --> 00:00:20,000 {\an8}Mankind doesn't know {\an8}how to do that. 11 00:00:20,041 --> 00:00:23,458 {\an5}LINDA: You all may have the first consistent data 12 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:26,375 {\an1}here at the Skinwalker Ranch. 13 00:00:26,417 --> 00:00:28,500 {\an1}We're dealing with something 14 00:00:28,542 --> 00:00:30,417 that doesn't want us to understand. 15 00:00:30,458 --> 00:00:32,250 ERIK: The cow is right here. 16 00:00:32,291 --> 00:00:34,125 I can't help but also notice that 17 00:00:34,166 --> 00:00:35,291 there's something happening here. 18 00:00:35,333 --> 00:00:37,583 BRANDON: The cow reacted 19 00:00:37,625 --> 00:00:41,875 the moment that that object appeared. 20 00:00:41,917 --> 00:00:45,625 {\an5}NARRATOR: There is a ranch in Northern Utah. 21 00:00:45,667 --> 00:00:48,083 {\an1}It is considered the epicenter 22 00:00:48,125 --> 00:00:52,875 of the strangest and most {\an1}disturbing phenomena on Earth: 23 00:00:52,917 --> 00:00:55,250 animal mutilations, 24 00:00:55,291 --> 00:00:57,500 bizarre UFO sightings 25 00:00:57,542 --> 00:01:02,834 {\an1}and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 26 00:01:02,875 --> 00:01:05,417 {\an8}For 20 years, {\an8}the federal government 27 00:01:05,458 --> 00:01:08,709 tried to find answers and failed. 28 00:01:08,750 --> 00:01:12,750 Now a new team of dedicated scientists, 29 00:01:12,792 --> 00:01:16,583 researchers and experts has taken over. 30 00:01:16,625 --> 00:01:20,667 {\an1}They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal... 31 00:01:36,375 --> 00:01:38,083 {\an8}ERIK: {\an8}So here, you can see 32 00:01:38,125 --> 00:01:40,166 she starts to get up. 33 00:01:42,208 --> 00:01:44,792 The cow is trying to get up on her feet. 34 00:01:46,417 --> 00:01:48,417 -The object is here. -LINDA: Wow. 35 00:01:50,750 --> 00:01:52,709 {\an8}-The cow reacted. {\an8}-TRAVIS: Right. 36 00:01:52,750 --> 00:01:56,291 {\an8}The moment that {\an8}that object appeared 37 00:01:56,333 --> 00:02:00,333 {\an8}above the cow, {\an8}the cow was reacting. 38 00:02:00,375 --> 00:02:02,583 Yes. 39 00:02:05,792 --> 00:02:08,166 {\an8}TRAVIS: Yesterday, {\an8}on the ranch, we found 40 00:02:08,208 --> 00:02:09,417 {\an8}that a two-year-old cow 41 00:02:09,458 --> 00:02:10,750 {\an8}that had gotten {\an8}completely separated 42 00:02:10,792 --> 00:02:13,709 {\an8}from the rest of the herd {\an8}just suddenly died. 43 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:15,333 {\an7}And for no apparent reason. 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,792 {\an1}Jim, are you seeing anything on the spectrum analyzer? 45 00:02:19,834 --> 00:02:22,625 So, I'm getting some pretty high spikes. 46 00:02:22,667 --> 00:02:24,917 TRAVIS: Oh, wow! 47 00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:27,375 {\an8}Later, we had {\an8}a veterinarian come out 48 00:02:27,417 --> 00:02:29,583 {\an8}and perform an autopsy to {\an7}determine the cause of death. 49 00:02:29,625 --> 00:02:32,792 {\an7}But his findings only served {\an8}to confirm our suspicions 50 00:02:32,834 --> 00:02:34,208 {\an8}that something {\an8}really out of the ordinary 51 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:35,875 {\an8}must have happened to it. 52 00:02:35,917 --> 00:02:37,333 {\an8}SEGALA: {\an7}I just want to verify something, 53 00:02:37,375 --> 00:02:40,041 {\an8}that the animal {\an7}was going about her business, 54 00:02:40,083 --> 00:02:42,917 {\an8}doing her thing, {\an8}got stressed by something 55 00:02:42,959 --> 00:02:44,917 {\an7}that lowered her immune system, 56 00:02:44,959 --> 00:02:46,542 {\an8}which allowed pneumonia {\an8}to set in. 57 00:02:46,583 --> 00:02:47,583 Exactly, yeah. 58 00:02:47,625 --> 00:02:49,458 All the signs I've seen point toward 59 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:51,500 stress-induced pneumonia. 60 00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:57,125 {\an7}TRAVIS: Luckily, one of Erik {\an7}Bard's surveillance cameras 61 00:02:57,166 --> 00:02:59,917 {\an7}actually captured the moment {\an8}that the cow died. 62 00:02:59,959 --> 00:03:01,625 It also captured something else. 63 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:04,208 Something that appears to be a UFO 64 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:06,834 {\an1}in the sky directly overhead. 65 00:03:06,875 --> 00:03:09,834 Go back and show them {\an1}where you first see it, Erik. 66 00:03:09,875 --> 00:03:12,875 Okay, so this is our first shot of it. 67 00:03:16,125 --> 00:03:18,875 And I'm going to go single-stepping 68 00:03:18,917 --> 00:03:20,250 one frame at a time. 69 00:03:22,375 --> 00:03:24,542 LINDA: And it actually popped. 70 00:03:24,583 --> 00:03:26,583 So, is that 1/30th of a second video? 71 00:03:26,625 --> 00:03:29,333 {\an5}-It's 1/15th. -This is, this is 1/15. -LINDA: 1/15. 72 00:03:31,709 --> 00:03:33,667 {\an5}TRAVIS: And so, clearly, it's behind the trees. 73 00:03:33,709 --> 00:03:35,667 And... you know, 74 00:03:35,709 --> 00:03:38,166 {\an1}the distance from the camera to the trees is how far? 75 00:03:38,208 --> 00:03:40,834 It's about 75 feet between the-the tree 76 00:03:40,875 --> 00:03:42,875 {\an1}that you see on the far right and the next tree. 77 00:03:42,917 --> 00:03:45,333 So, if it's {\an1}directly over the tree line, 78 00:03:45,375 --> 00:03:48,208 it moved 75 feet in a 15th of a second. 79 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:49,709 So, you multiply that, 80 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:52,709 that means it moved about {\an1}a thousand feet in a second. 81 00:03:52,750 --> 00:03:56,291 That's... That's as fast {\an1}as a high-powered rifle bullet. 82 00:03:58,709 --> 00:04:00,208 I was sitting here this whole time 83 00:04:00,250 --> 00:04:02,166 {\an1}just thinking it was a bird, {\an1}but you watch that real-time, 84 00:04:02,208 --> 00:04:04,625 {\an5}-I mean, that's fast. -Yeah, there's no bird moving that fast. 85 00:04:04,667 --> 00:04:06,083 Not at a thousand feet per second. 86 00:04:06,125 --> 00:04:07,458 {\an1}I have no idea what that is. 87 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:09,917 And you're saying {\an1}a thousand feet per second, 88 00:04:09,959 --> 00:04:11,917 {\an5}-assuming it's right above the trees. {\an1}-It's right over the trees. 89 00:04:11,959 --> 00:04:14,834 -Right. {\an1}-If it's just beyond the tree, 90 00:04:14,875 --> 00:04:17,709 {\an1}-it could be moving even faster. -TRAVIS: Even faster. 91 00:04:17,750 --> 00:04:19,250 {\an1}There's an interesting thing that I noticed 92 00:04:19,291 --> 00:04:20,917 when we were looking at it earlier. Erik, 93 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:23,458 {\an1}if you could pull the one where {\an1}it's directly over the cow. 94 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:24,875 -And zoom in on the thing. -Sure. 95 00:04:27,250 --> 00:04:28,959 {\an1}-You want to go in tighter? -TRAVIS: Yup. 96 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:34,792 Uh, if you look around 97 00:04:34,834 --> 00:04:36,917 the spot, there's an area 98 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:38,667 that looks a little bit different. 99 00:04:38,709 --> 00:04:40,166 -LINDA: Halo-ish. -TRAVIS: Yeah. 100 00:04:40,208 --> 00:04:42,000 And I noticed it when I did an analysis 101 00:04:42,041 --> 00:04:44,667 of the Tic Tac video that the Navy has. 102 00:04:45,834 --> 00:04:46,834 My gosh. 103 00:04:47,208 --> 00:04:49,375 And the wind is 120 knots to the west. 104 00:04:49,417 --> 00:04:50,834 Look at that thing, dude. 105 00:04:51,542 --> 00:04:53,291 - Well if there's uh- - Look at that thing! 106 00:04:53,333 --> 00:04:55,542 {\an1}Recently, it's come to light {\an1}that there's been this program 107 00:04:55,583 --> 00:04:58,041 that the Pentagon has been funding called 108 00:04:58,083 --> 00:05:00,333 {\an1}the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, 109 00:05:00,375 --> 00:05:02,417 A-A-T-I-P or AATIP. 110 00:05:02,458 --> 00:05:05,291 And this program was actually put in place 111 00:05:05,333 --> 00:05:09,458 to look at unknown aerial phenomena: UFOs. 112 00:05:09,709 --> 00:05:11,500 - Oh my gosh, dude! 113 00:05:11,542 --> 00:05:12,208 Wow! 114 00:05:12,917 --> 00:05:15,792 And there's a Gimbal video that was released, 115 00:05:15,834 --> 00:05:17,333 uh, and a Tic Tac video. 116 00:05:17,375 --> 00:05:21,250 And all these videos show a vehicle that's flying 117 00:05:21,291 --> 00:05:24,417 {\an1}with some type of propulsion that we don't know of. 118 00:05:24,458 --> 00:05:27,667 {\an1}We can't understand what it is by looking at the video. 119 00:05:27,709 --> 00:05:29,667 {\an1}When we looked at it on a FLIR, 120 00:05:29,709 --> 00:05:32,667 {\an1}that told us that it was cold and the craft was warm. 121 00:05:32,709 --> 00:05:34,959 {\an1}And then you got ambient air around it. 122 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,792 During my first meeting with the Skinwalker team, 123 00:05:37,834 --> 00:05:40,291 Brandon showed me a photo of a UFO 124 00:05:40,333 --> 00:05:42,041 {\an1}that was taken above the ranch. 125 00:05:42,083 --> 00:05:44,125 One of the first things that we captured 126 00:05:44,166 --> 00:05:45,917 on the property 127 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:47,625 was an interesting object 128 00:05:47,667 --> 00:05:49,792 just over the mesa. 129 00:05:49,834 --> 00:05:51,250 TRAVIS: And it looked to have 130 00:05:51,291 --> 00:05:52,875 that same kind of halo around it, 131 00:05:52,917 --> 00:05:54,542 something that I believe is caused 132 00:05:54,583 --> 00:05:55,875 {\an1}by a temperature differential. 133 00:05:55,917 --> 00:05:57,583 {\an1}And that's something I've seen 134 00:05:57,625 --> 00:06:00,250 {\an1}in a number of other UFO videos. 135 00:06:00,291 --> 00:06:02,959 It could be a highly, highly classified thing. 136 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,250 But here's the thing. If there's a project 137 00:06:05,291 --> 00:06:09,458 that's that classified, that level of technology 138 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:11,083 so far advanced 139 00:06:11,125 --> 00:06:14,333 {\an1}from the rest of the technology we have on the planet, 140 00:06:14,375 --> 00:06:17,083 that-that's h... {\an1}that's real hard to swallow. 141 00:06:18,458 --> 00:06:20,417 Two things we don't know. 142 00:06:20,458 --> 00:06:24,166 {\an1}Are we dealing with a craft {\an1}that is moving point to point 143 00:06:24,208 --> 00:06:25,333 and has influence 144 00:06:25,375 --> 00:06:28,959 on the brain of that cow? 145 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:32,083 And the fact {\an1}that the herd is not around. 146 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:34,417 {\an8}I don't know {\an7}that I have seen them pushed up 147 00:06:34,458 --> 00:06:36,333 {\an8}to that side of the ranch {\an8}since we brought them on, 148 00:06:36,375 --> 00:06:39,417 {\an8}so that behavior by itself {\an8}was unusual. 149 00:06:39,458 --> 00:06:41,250 LINDA: I saw the cow, 150 00:06:41,291 --> 00:06:44,208 and it's not a mutilation. 151 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:47,792 But somehow that animal was sick enough 152 00:06:47,834 --> 00:06:51,834 or affected enough or manipulated enough, 153 00:06:51,875 --> 00:06:55,417 {\an1}it was left behind all the herd. 154 00:06:55,458 --> 00:06:59,917 {\an7}And it is that that has been {\an8}reported over and over 155 00:06:59,959 --> 00:07:02,333 {\an8}in animal mutilation cases. 156 00:07:02,375 --> 00:07:05,166 {\an8}Is it related in some way? 157 00:07:06,166 --> 00:07:08,250 {\an1}I think we're seeing a reaction 158 00:07:08,291 --> 00:07:10,709 {\an1}to something in its environment 159 00:07:10,750 --> 00:07:12,041 -at the very end. -Right. 160 00:07:12,083 --> 00:07:13,917 {\an1}And it's enough of a reaction that it's making 161 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:17,000 {\an1}-a deathly ill cow want to move. -Want to get out of there. 162 00:07:17,041 --> 00:07:19,959 BRANDON: We very well could have prevented 163 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,625 {\an1}a full-blown cattle mutilation from occurring. 164 00:07:22,667 --> 00:07:24,875 -That's a possibility. -That's a possibility. 165 00:07:24,917 --> 00:07:26,667 It's oddly serendipitous. 166 00:07:26,709 --> 00:07:27,750 You know, it's one of those things. 167 00:07:27,792 --> 00:07:29,375 We continue to hit home 168 00:07:29,417 --> 00:07:31,834 that correlation isn't causation, 169 00:07:31,875 --> 00:07:34,583 but we have two {\an1}really interesting phenomena 170 00:07:34,625 --> 00:07:36,500 occurring at exactly the same time 171 00:07:36,542 --> 00:07:38,792 very near the same spatial location. 172 00:07:38,834 --> 00:07:41,083 It really makes you want to look deeper to see 173 00:07:41,125 --> 00:07:44,250 can we prove the cow moved because of that thing? 174 00:07:44,291 --> 00:07:45,750 {\an1}Man, you just got to wonder. 175 00:07:45,792 --> 00:07:49,959 If this object appeared at just the same time 176 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,250 this cow is dying its last breath 177 00:07:53,291 --> 00:07:55,375 {\an1}and then just after the fact, we're measuring 178 00:07:55,417 --> 00:07:57,583 all these weird electromagnetic signals, 179 00:07:57,625 --> 00:07:59,458 is that a coincidence? 180 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:00,875 {\an5}BRANDON: We're out in the middle of nowhere. 181 00:08:00,917 --> 00:08:03,625 {\an1}So, which begs the question. Linda, 182 00:08:03,667 --> 00:08:07,000 {\an1}have you seen with other cases you have investigated 183 00:08:07,041 --> 00:08:11,375 {\an1}these type of phenomena attend 184 00:08:11,417 --> 00:08:15,208 cattle mutilations and other events? 185 00:08:15,250 --> 00:08:17,500 LINDA: The sudden separation 186 00:08:17,542 --> 00:08:19,500 of a herd {\an1}that goes completely as far 187 00:08:19,542 --> 00:08:20,917 {\an1}as they can go in a pasture, 188 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:23,417 leaving the animal that is found mutilated? 189 00:08:23,458 --> 00:08:25,667 That's happened many, many times. 190 00:08:27,417 --> 00:08:30,458 {\an1}What about the electromagnetic type of anomalies? 191 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:32,208 LINDA: I feel strongly 192 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:34,583 {\an1}where there are mutilations, 193 00:08:34,625 --> 00:08:38,166 where there are UFOs, you're going to find 194 00:08:38,208 --> 00:08:39,375 that there are magnetic anomalies. 195 00:08:39,417 --> 00:08:41,041 They go together. 196 00:08:41,083 --> 00:08:44,750 And that includes {\an1}the running down of batteries. 197 00:08:44,792 --> 00:08:46,458 Wow. 198 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:47,875 TRAVIS: That's... 199 00:08:47,917 --> 00:08:49,583 We get that all the time. 200 00:08:49,625 --> 00:08:53,166 {\an1}It's really weird that when {\an1}strange things seem to happen, 201 00:08:53,208 --> 00:08:55,959 we seem to find something {\an1}in the sky at the same time. 202 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,667 LINDA: I think we are dealing 203 00:08:57,709 --> 00:08:58,959 with point to point. 204 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,750 I think {\an1}we're dealing with portals. 205 00:09:00,792 --> 00:09:03,834 I think we are dealing with advanced technology. 206 00:09:05,166 --> 00:09:07,083 {\an1}See, you've got the combination 207 00:09:07,125 --> 00:09:09,750 of just about every {\an1}high strangeness going on here 208 00:09:09,792 --> 00:09:11,333 at Skinwalker Ranch. 209 00:09:11,375 --> 00:09:14,875 {\an1}But after being here for a day, 210 00:09:14,917 --> 00:09:18,625 I think the chapter has just simply turned. 211 00:09:18,667 --> 00:09:23,083 And what I think gives me a new confidence 212 00:09:23,125 --> 00:09:26,000 {\an1}that maybe we're going to get some more data 213 00:09:26,041 --> 00:09:27,959 is because of the work you're doing. 214 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,333 So, hooray, you guys. 215 00:09:30,375 --> 00:09:31,834 Keep doing this, 216 00:09:31,875 --> 00:09:34,417 because this is maybe {\an1}the only way we're really going 217 00:09:34,458 --> 00:09:37,625 to learn some of the truth that has been hidden. 218 00:09:37,667 --> 00:09:39,041 BRANDON: Absolutely. 219 00:09:39,083 --> 00:09:42,875 {\an1}I think we're just starting to pull back the curtain 220 00:09:42,917 --> 00:09:45,875 {\an1}with our investigation here at Skinwalker Ranch. 221 00:09:45,917 --> 00:09:47,542 {\an1}And, uh, we'll look forward 222 00:09:47,583 --> 00:09:49,000 to further updates in the future. 223 00:09:49,041 --> 00:09:50,875 -Thank you. -(overlapping chatter) 224 00:09:50,917 --> 00:09:53,917 (wind whistling) 225 00:10:02,250 --> 00:10:04,417 {\an8}JIM: {\an8}It's good to see everybody. 226 00:10:04,458 --> 00:10:06,542 {\an5}-It's good to have you back, Travis. -Yeah, man. 227 00:10:06,583 --> 00:10:07,792 I missed you guys. 228 00:10:07,834 --> 00:10:10,083 {\an7}After being out there with y'all {\an8}for so long, 229 00:10:10,125 --> 00:10:11,250 {\an8}it was strange going home. 230 00:10:11,291 --> 00:10:12,625 {\an8}And I kept looking 231 00:10:12,667 --> 00:10:15,208 {\an7}over my shoulder for crazy stuff {\an8}to happen, but... 232 00:10:15,250 --> 00:10:16,375 {\an8}-(laughter) {\an8}-Brandon 233 00:10:16,417 --> 00:10:18,250 {\an8}has instructed {\an8}Tom, Erik and the team 234 00:10:18,291 --> 00:10:21,625 {\an4}to continue their surveillance of all the activities on the ranch. 235 00:10:21,667 --> 00:10:23,500 {\an1}But after the death of the cow, we decided 236 00:10:23,542 --> 00:10:25,583 to put a pause {\an1}on experimentation out there, 237 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:27,709 at least until {\an1}we've had a chance to analyze 238 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:30,333 {\an1}all the data that we collected over the summer. 239 00:10:31,375 --> 00:10:33,333 Hey, gentlemen. I'd like you to meet 240 00:10:33,375 --> 00:10:35,333 attorney general for the state of Utah, 241 00:10:35,375 --> 00:10:36,917 -Sean Reyes. -TRAVIS: Wow! 242 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:38,166 {\an8}-Dragon, how's it going? {\an8}-Hey. 243 00:10:38,208 --> 00:10:39,709 {\an8}-Good to see you again. {\an8}-Good to see you, too. 244 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:40,750 -Sir. -Travis Taylor. 245 00:10:40,792 --> 00:10:41,834 Mr. Taylor. Pleased to meet you. 246 00:10:41,875 --> 00:10:44,959 Attorney General Reyes has been briefed 247 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,917 over the course of the last several years. 248 00:10:46,959 --> 00:10:50,291 {\an8}He's been very well aware {\an8}and kept up on the events 249 00:10:50,333 --> 00:10:53,500 {\an8}that have occurred {\an8}on property with you. 250 00:10:53,542 --> 00:10:55,792 And I thought it was important today, 251 00:10:55,834 --> 00:10:58,291 at his request, for him to be briefed 252 00:10:58,333 --> 00:11:00,959 {\an1}on some of the more disturbing 253 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,166 and interesting incidents that we've 254 00:11:04,208 --> 00:11:07,333 {\an1}most recently had out on the... on the property. 255 00:11:07,375 --> 00:11:09,166 -Great. {\an1}-JIM: Yeah, thank you so much. 256 00:11:09,208 --> 00:11:10,583 {\an5}-Appreciate your time. Thanks very much. -Glad you're here. 257 00:11:10,625 --> 00:11:12,000 TRAVIS: {\an1}The fact that our activities 258 00:11:12,041 --> 00:11:14,250 at Skinwalker Ranch have merited the attention 259 00:11:14,291 --> 00:11:16,333 {\an1}of the state's attorney general 260 00:11:16,375 --> 00:11:18,917 shows me how seriously {\an1}the state of Utah is taking 261 00:11:18,959 --> 00:11:20,792 {\an1}everything that we're doing out there. 262 00:11:20,834 --> 00:11:23,625 I mean, let's face it, {\an1}if just some of our suspicions 263 00:11:23,667 --> 00:11:25,250 turn out to be correct, 264 00:11:25,291 --> 00:11:27,750 the national security {\an1}implications could be huge. 265 00:11:27,792 --> 00:11:29,792 Thanks very much. 266 00:11:29,834 --> 00:11:32,333 Brandon's been keeping me updated. 267 00:11:32,375 --> 00:11:34,875 {\an8}Because you all shepherd 268 00:11:34,917 --> 00:11:38,083 {\an8}the public now {\an8}in a much more visible way 269 00:11:38,125 --> 00:11:40,750 {\an8}into the exploration 270 00:11:40,792 --> 00:11:43,041 {\an8}of what Skinwalker Ranch {\an8}represents. 271 00:11:43,083 --> 00:11:44,875 {\an8}-Yeah. {\an8}-And, um, 272 00:11:44,917 --> 00:11:47,166 {\an8}on behalf of the citizens {\an8}of the state of Utah, 273 00:11:47,208 --> 00:11:50,166 {\an8}I think it'd be important {\an8}that this isn't viewed 274 00:11:50,208 --> 00:11:52,291 {\an8}as just, you know, {\an8}this mysterious project 275 00:11:52,333 --> 00:11:53,750 {\an8}that these outsiders {\an8}are conducting. 276 00:11:53,792 --> 00:11:57,792 These are important issues for our state. 277 00:11:57,834 --> 00:11:59,750 {\an1}I'm happy to be a part of it. 278 00:11:59,792 --> 00:12:01,125 I'm honored that you all 279 00:12:01,166 --> 00:12:04,208 would brief me and let me participate. 280 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:06,583 So thank you all, each and every one of you. 281 00:12:06,625 --> 00:12:08,458 {\an5}-Appreciate it. -Thank you. -Thank you. 282 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:12,458 You know, as we come back together after a month, 283 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:15,875 I thought it was important to evaluate the events 284 00:12:15,917 --> 00:12:18,125 {\an1}that happened on that ranch. 285 00:12:18,166 --> 00:12:21,792 -Yeah. {\an1}-Because now you have hard data 286 00:12:21,834 --> 00:12:23,917 {\an5}-Right. -that helps us hopefully understand 287 00:12:23,959 --> 00:12:26,375 what is at play at Skinwalker Ranch. 288 00:12:26,417 --> 00:12:28,583 {\an5}-Right. -ERIK: There's so many points here, 289 00:12:28,625 --> 00:12:30,750 {\an1}very good important points, for us to discuss, 290 00:12:30,792 --> 00:12:33,750 and, really, sifting information, 291 00:12:33,792 --> 00:12:37,041 trying to understand, {\an1}you know, what is significant 292 00:12:37,083 --> 00:12:39,542 and what may just be coincidental. 293 00:12:39,583 --> 00:12:41,500 And also, if there are connections, 294 00:12:41,542 --> 00:12:43,125 what are they? 295 00:12:43,166 --> 00:12:46,625 Well, what have you taken from the events 296 00:12:46,667 --> 00:12:48,959 that have occurred over the last few months? 297 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,417 Let's take this recent 298 00:12:50,458 --> 00:12:52,625 disturbing incident with the cow. 299 00:12:52,667 --> 00:12:55,583 The cow died, and we have, at the time of it dying, 300 00:12:55,625 --> 00:12:59,083 measured strange microwave activity. 301 00:12:59,125 --> 00:13:01,542 -He was getting gammas. -Yeah, and microwaves. 302 00:13:04,125 --> 00:13:05,834 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an8}Hey, y'all? 303 00:13:05,875 --> 00:13:07,291 {\an1}I'd recommend not to touch it 304 00:13:07,333 --> 00:13:08,750 till we see {\an1}if it's radioactive or not. 305 00:13:08,792 --> 00:13:10,458 THOMAS: No sign of trauma. 306 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:12,375 TRAVIS: What in the world? 307 00:13:12,417 --> 00:13:15,333 There's no cat tracks, {\an1}there's no sign of struggle. 308 00:13:15,375 --> 00:13:17,041 -Middle of the day. -It's just dead. 309 00:13:17,083 --> 00:13:19,709 {\an1}Jim, are you seeing anything on the spectrum analyzer? 310 00:13:19,750 --> 00:13:22,333 I'm getting some pretty high spikes. 311 00:13:22,375 --> 00:13:24,208 TRAVIS: Oh, wow! 312 00:13:24,250 --> 00:13:27,166 Look at... the meter's going crazy. 313 00:13:27,208 --> 00:13:29,917 {\an1}My phone starts freaking out {\an1}whenever your TriField goes off. 314 00:13:29,959 --> 00:13:32,417 I don't have any control over my phone right now. 315 00:13:32,458 --> 00:13:34,667 TRAVIS: Dude, look at that. 316 00:13:34,709 --> 00:13:37,208 SEGALA: {\an1}We had an actual autopsy done 317 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:40,583 by a veterinarian, {\an1}a local veterinarian, and... 318 00:13:40,625 --> 00:13:43,375 what they found out {\an1}is that it died of pneumonia 319 00:13:43,417 --> 00:13:45,709 brought on by stress. 320 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:49,250 {\an5}BRANDON: What we did record is, we did record 321 00:13:49,291 --> 00:13:52,500 some anomalous object 322 00:13:52,542 --> 00:13:55,792 in the sky above the cow before it died 323 00:13:55,834 --> 00:13:58,000 that it was reacting to. 324 00:13:58,041 --> 00:14:00,041 So you have a biosensor, 325 00:14:00,083 --> 00:14:02,709 in essence, that reacted immediately to the event. 326 00:14:02,750 --> 00:14:05,208 -Absolutely. {\an1}-Something scared it to death. 327 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:07,542 {\an5}-TRAVIS: That's {\an1}a really good way to put it. -Yep. 328 00:14:07,583 --> 00:14:09,625 {\an1}-Something scared it to death. {\an1}-THOMAS: It gets even stranger, 329 00:14:09,667 --> 00:14:13,333 {\an1}because after this cow died, {\an1}we do what most ranchers do, 330 00:14:13,375 --> 00:14:17,000 {\an1}and you drag it off to a corner, {\an1}and you let the body decompose. 331 00:14:17,041 --> 00:14:19,959 {\an1}-And let the-the scavengers... -And-and yeah, 332 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,500 and the typical thing is, the coyotes 333 00:14:21,542 --> 00:14:23,083 {\an1}and the scavengers come in, 334 00:14:23,125 --> 00:14:25,834 and they pick it clean. {\an1}I was just up there a week ago, 335 00:14:25,875 --> 00:14:28,875 on a patrol, and I went {\an1}over there where that cow's at, 336 00:14:28,917 --> 00:14:30,917 {\an1}and it has not been touched. 337 00:14:30,959 --> 00:14:34,583 To this day, not a single {\an1}scavenger has touched that cow. 338 00:14:34,625 --> 00:14:36,333 SEAN: Highly irregular. 339 00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:38,583 TRAVIS: One of my graduate students 340 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:41,709 grew up working {\an1}on a cattle farm in Alabama, 341 00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:45,166 {\an1}and he told me that if lightning {\an1}ever struck one of the cows, 342 00:14:45,208 --> 00:14:46,500 that the predators 343 00:14:46,542 --> 00:14:48,000 would not eat it. 344 00:14:48,041 --> 00:14:49,542 Maybe something happened to this cow. 345 00:14:49,583 --> 00:14:51,250 We know it wasn't struck by lightning, 346 00:14:51,291 --> 00:14:53,083 'cause there was no storms at the time. 347 00:14:53,125 --> 00:14:55,250 But we did measure really high microwaves. 348 00:14:55,291 --> 00:14:57,709 And maybe whatever these signals are 349 00:14:57,750 --> 00:15:01,500 {\an1}is affecting this cow in such a way that it tainted it. 350 00:15:01,542 --> 00:15:03,500 {\an1}And it's still sitting there. 351 00:15:03,542 --> 00:15:05,500 {\an1}No... nothing has touched it. 352 00:15:05,542 --> 00:15:07,500 {\an1}So there's something to that. 353 00:15:07,542 --> 00:15:10,208 {\an1}And there was another day where 354 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:13,166 we were launching rockets, for example, when... 355 00:15:13,208 --> 00:15:15,208 suddenly we see so many phenomena 356 00:15:15,250 --> 00:15:17,917 {\an1}across so many different regimes of measurement. 357 00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:20,375 While we were launching these rockets, 358 00:15:20,417 --> 00:15:22,458 {\an1}the entire herd of about 40 cows 359 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:25,250 come over to the area where we are. 360 00:15:25,291 --> 00:15:27,500 You might think that they would be, um... 361 00:15:27,542 --> 00:15:29,750 -Skittish. {\an1}-...frightened of our activity. 362 00:15:29,792 --> 00:15:31,875 You'd think they'd go away from us. 363 00:15:31,917 --> 00:15:33,583 {\an1}Instead, during that activity, 364 00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:34,875 we watched the cattle come 365 00:15:34,917 --> 00:15:37,125 -to the east field. -Actually, 366 00:15:37,166 --> 00:15:39,500 {\an4}-they didn't come, they ran. -Well, that was exactly the point. 367 00:15:39,542 --> 00:15:41,125 -They ran. -And... 368 00:15:41,166 --> 00:15:44,000 some of them behaved {\an1}as if they were in a panic. 369 00:15:44,041 --> 00:15:46,792 It was nearly stampeding behavior. 370 00:15:46,834 --> 00:15:48,000 Yeah, yeah. 371 00:15:48,041 --> 00:15:50,041 {\an8}SEGALA: {\an8}Look at the cows. 372 00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:52,000 {\an7}That is the strangest thing. 373 00:15:52,041 --> 00:15:54,625 -(cows bellowing) {\an1}-BRYANT: Never seen that before. 374 00:15:54,667 --> 00:15:55,709 SEGALA: They all grouped together 375 00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:57,125 so tight, they started fighting. 376 00:15:57,166 --> 00:15:59,417 {\an1}THOMAS: They started to fight among each other, 377 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:01,417 head-butting each other, {\an1}they were mooing, they were... 378 00:16:01,458 --> 00:16:03,917 {\an1}BRYANT: I thought they were {\an1}gonna take down the east fence. 379 00:16:03,959 --> 00:16:05,625 Something that gave them more concern 380 00:16:05,667 --> 00:16:07,291 {\an1}than the sound of the rockets. 381 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:09,709 TRAVIS: {\an1}Well, and it's at the same time 382 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:11,709 that the unidentified aerial phenomena 383 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:14,375 {\an1}-start appearing in the sky. -Really? 384 00:16:14,417 --> 00:16:16,208 TRAVIS: Ignition! 385 00:16:17,709 --> 00:16:19,041 Look, look, look, look! 386 00:16:19,083 --> 00:16:21,083 -What is that? {\an1}-We got something. Hold on. 387 00:16:21,125 --> 00:16:23,375 THOMAS: Oh, wait, wait, it's a plane, I think. 388 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,041 TRAVIS: No, that wasn't a plane. 389 00:16:25,083 --> 00:16:27,000 -Oh, there it is again! -There it is again! 390 00:16:29,208 --> 00:16:31,041 THOMAS: It's gone. 391 00:16:31,083 --> 00:16:32,750 SEAN: It's one thing to have 392 00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:36,083 a light in the night or some random sighting, 393 00:16:36,125 --> 00:16:39,709 but when livestock start to literally fall over... 394 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:42,208 {\an1}It's not unheard of to have them die from time to time, 395 00:16:42,250 --> 00:16:44,625 but not under these kinds of circumstances, 396 00:16:44,667 --> 00:16:46,417 {\an1}not with this many questions. 397 00:16:46,458 --> 00:16:50,083 Or, our bigger concern, uh, beyond livestock, 398 00:16:50,125 --> 00:16:53,875 {\an1}when this starts to potentially impact human beings. 399 00:16:53,917 --> 00:16:55,542 BRANDON: Yes. 400 00:16:55,583 --> 00:16:57,000 You found out firsthand, 401 00:16:57,041 --> 00:17:01,291 surprisingly, {\an1}how dangerous this ranch can be. 402 00:17:01,333 --> 00:17:03,792 TRAVIS: Absolutely. While we were out there, 403 00:17:03,834 --> 00:17:07,500 we were in a... in a cave, and, uh, 404 00:17:07,542 --> 00:17:11,834 {\an1}I was exposed to something that {\an1}made me, uh, nearly pass out. 405 00:17:11,875 --> 00:17:14,875 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an7}Let me ask a question, guys. 406 00:17:14,917 --> 00:17:18,125 {\an5}-Do any of y'all feel {\an1}a little swimmy-headed at all? -ERIK: You feeling it? 407 00:17:18,166 --> 00:17:19,208 TRAVIS: I don't know. Slightly, I felt 408 00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:21,333 like I was not holding my balance well 409 00:17:21,375 --> 00:17:24,375 {\an1}for a second there-- that's why {\an1}I put my hand over on the rock. 410 00:17:24,417 --> 00:17:26,000 {\an1}And I'm feeling it now, too. 411 00:17:26,041 --> 00:17:28,500 TRAVIS: {\an1}And then, a few days later, 412 00:17:28,542 --> 00:17:32,458 {\an1}I was exposed to a fairly high {\an1}dose of gamma ray radiation. 413 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,792 {\an8}Heck, it could be a tunnel {\an8}entrance for all we know. 414 00:17:35,834 --> 00:17:37,417 I'd like to know what's in this thing. 415 00:17:37,458 --> 00:17:39,125 Don't lift it up. 416 00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:41,125 TRAVIS: I feel like, uh, 417 00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:43,625 {\an1}I got a little bit of a headache or something happening. 418 00:17:43,667 --> 00:17:45,667 -Holy... Mine's beeping. -SEGALA: Your total dose 419 00:17:45,709 --> 00:17:46,875 -is way up there. -Oh, my God. 420 00:17:46,917 --> 00:17:49,041 We were just exposed to ionizing radiation. 421 00:17:49,083 --> 00:17:51,333 So, did you end up going to the hospital 422 00:17:51,375 --> 00:17:53,333 {\an1}-as a result of these injuries? -TRAVIS: Yes. 423 00:17:53,375 --> 00:17:55,792 I had surgery {\an1}as a result of those injuries. 424 00:18:02,291 --> 00:18:05,667 {\an8}TRAVIS: Maybe a week, {\an8}maybe two weeks at most, 425 00:18:05,709 --> 00:18:07,959 {\an8}after I got exposed {\an8}to the radiation, 426 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,500 {\an8}I started getting a knot {\an8}forming here, a bump, 427 00:18:10,542 --> 00:18:12,166 {\an7}coming out of my knuckle there. 428 00:18:12,208 --> 00:18:13,834 {\an8}And then another bump {\an8}started forming. 429 00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:15,458 {\an8}And on into the summer, 430 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:17,959 {\an8}it kept getting bigger {\an7}and bigger and started hurting. 431 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,208 {\an7}That's... that's nasty, man. 432 00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:22,208 {\an8}So then I went {\an8}and had it X-rayed, 433 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:24,500 {\an8}and my doctor looked at it, {\an8}and he says, "Well, uh, 434 00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:26,333 {\an8}you've got two bone spurs {\an8}in there." 435 00:18:26,375 --> 00:18:28,291 {\an8}They said, "Well, you're {\an7}gonna have to have it removed, 436 00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:30,583 {\an8}'cause it's just gonna keep {\an8}getting bigger and worse." 437 00:18:30,625 --> 00:18:32,750 And so they went in, and they took out a cyst 438 00:18:32,792 --> 00:18:34,375 that was almost as big as an MandM. 439 00:18:34,417 --> 00:18:35,917 There was, like, 18 stitches in there. 440 00:18:35,959 --> 00:18:37,625 JIM: Mm, that's unreal. 441 00:18:37,667 --> 00:18:41,166 {\an1}And, uh, and it still feels {\an1}like it's a broken finger. 442 00:18:41,208 --> 00:18:43,417 {\an7}It's still a little bit painful, {\an8}but it's, 443 00:18:43,458 --> 00:18:45,083 {\an7}you know, it's healing fine. 444 00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:46,250 {\an8}Wow. 445 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:48,291 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an8}I believe that whatever 446 00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:49,875 {\an8}this phenomena is {\an8}that we've measured, 447 00:18:49,917 --> 00:18:51,500 {\an7}every time we've measured it, 448 00:18:51,542 --> 00:18:53,959 {\an7}we do get high energy levels {\an8}and microwaves, 449 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 {\an7}and we've measured gamma rays. 450 00:18:56,041 --> 00:18:58,125 And so it's possible that whatever this is 451 00:18:58,166 --> 00:19:01,917 that's occurring {\an1}is what's causing the injuries. 452 00:19:01,959 --> 00:19:04,542 {\an1}But you're not the only one, right? 453 00:19:04,583 --> 00:19:07,291 {\an5}-Mr. Winterton had... -Thomas had... serious ones, yeah. 454 00:19:07,333 --> 00:19:08,959 {\an7}I know, at least for my injury, 455 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,041 {\an8}and-and if I'm under {\an8}the correct understanding 456 00:19:11,083 --> 00:19:14,417 {\an7}of some of the other injuries, {\an7}they couldn't explain it away. 457 00:19:14,458 --> 00:19:15,834 {\an5}-That's what... -That particular one, they couldn't. 458 00:19:15,875 --> 00:19:18,166 {\an1}They never came to conclusion of what caused it, 459 00:19:18,208 --> 00:19:20,500 and they couldn't find what it was. 460 00:19:20,542 --> 00:19:22,500 {\an8}-TRAVIS: Right. {\an8}-Yep. {\an8}-BRYANT: Well, 461 00:19:22,542 --> 00:19:23,917 {\an7}to your point, Thomas, too, 462 00:19:23,959 --> 00:19:25,583 {\an8}when you talk {\an8}about ranching injuries, 463 00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:28,417 {\an8}we're not talking about {\an7}broken bones and smashed hands. 464 00:19:28,458 --> 00:19:31,000 {\an8}We're talking {\an8}about radiation exposure. 465 00:19:32,625 --> 00:19:36,583 {\an7}The injuries that Tom Winterton {\an7}experienced back two years ago 466 00:19:36,625 --> 00:19:40,083 {\an7}were of the nature that he had {\an8}a neurological episode, 467 00:19:40,125 --> 00:19:43,458 {\an8}and he had a big swelling {\an8}in the back of his head. 468 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:46,834 {\an1}And his injuries was consistent with a radiation beam 469 00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:49,333 that entered his body from a specific angle, 470 00:19:49,375 --> 00:19:51,125 back behind his head. 471 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:53,125 So Thomas's injury 472 00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:56,291 {\an1}really reinforces that this {\an1}ranch could be very dangerous. 473 00:19:56,333 --> 00:19:59,917 {\an1}Somehow, all of this is coupled; we just don't know how. 474 00:20:01,375 --> 00:20:02,583 Yeah. 475 00:20:02,625 --> 00:20:04,333 ERIK: Obviously, we're experiencing things 476 00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:06,500 of a subjective nature. 477 00:20:06,542 --> 00:20:09,125 {\an1}Something in our physiology is responding 478 00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:10,458 {\an1}to something on the property, 479 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,208 -Yeah. -but we also see... 480 00:20:12,250 --> 00:20:15,250 {\an1}devices of many different kinds {\an1}malfunctioning on the ranch. 481 00:20:15,291 --> 00:20:17,125 We're talking about the, 482 00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:19,959 {\an1}uh, disruption of a handheld or a mobile device. 483 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,875 -Like the phones, right? -Right. 484 00:20:22,917 --> 00:20:25,208 {\an8}My phone's freaking out. 485 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:26,709 {\an8}It's just been doing this {\an8}for the last, 486 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:28,083 {\an8}you know, couple minutes. 487 00:20:28,125 --> 00:20:29,917 {\an8}I just ran up here {\an8}so you could see it. 488 00:20:29,959 --> 00:20:32,667 {\an1}It was in my contacts, it tried calling a couple people, 489 00:20:32,709 --> 00:20:35,125 {\an8}and then it's been {\an7}messing around in my camera. 490 00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:38,000 Dude, that is crazy. 491 00:20:38,041 --> 00:20:41,500 ERIK: {\an1}We are continuously dealing 492 00:20:41,542 --> 00:20:48,291 {\an4}with some kind of interference {\an4}that takes our systems down. {\an1}And it's not one type of device; {\an1}it's many kinds of devices. 493 00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:50,000 -Right. -Uh, you know, 494 00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:52,500 {\an1}very often batteries are... are discharged, 495 00:20:52,542 --> 00:20:54,417 {\an5}-Yeah. -...or things don't work correctly. 496 00:20:54,458 --> 00:20:56,125 Yeah. 497 00:20:56,166 --> 00:21:01,000 {\an8}PHIL: {\an8}Oh, my gosh. {\an8}I completely charged {\an5}these four batteries 498 00:21:01,041 --> 00:21:03,625 {\an8}last evening, and now {\an7}they're into the yellow section. 499 00:21:03,667 --> 00:21:06,083 {\an8}ERIK: {\an7}When have you seen that before? 500 00:21:06,125 --> 00:21:08,291 I quite frankly have not seen that before. 501 00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:13,208 TRAVIS: You name it, 502 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:16,500 {\an1}if it had electronics in it, somehow or other, 503 00:21:16,542 --> 00:21:18,542 it malfunctioned while {\an1}we were out there this summer. 504 00:21:18,583 --> 00:21:23,083 {\an1}It either turned itself off, uh, {\an1}it w-- just wouldn't function. 505 00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:27,000 {\an1}Its electronic control software didn't work. 506 00:21:27,041 --> 00:21:29,709 {\an1}We had drones that worked fine one second, 507 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:33,417 then move it ten feet over {\an1}and it wouldn't work at all. 508 00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:36,291 {\an8}DERRICK: {\an8}All right, let's do this. 509 00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:37,709 No connection. 510 00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:39,959 TRAVIS: Huh, that's weird. 511 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,500 {\an5}DERRICK: Yeah, I'm not connecting to the remote. 512 00:21:41,542 --> 00:21:43,959 I don't know what's happening with it. 513 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,542 T-That makes no sense. 514 00:21:45,583 --> 00:21:47,542 I don't think this is a coincidence. 515 00:21:47,583 --> 00:21:50,041 {\an1}I think what happened is that {\an1}because we were all there, 516 00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:52,375 we were concentrated, we were doing experiments 517 00:21:52,417 --> 00:21:54,083 on a daily basis... 518 00:21:54,125 --> 00:21:55,250 {\an8}Look, it is going nuts. 519 00:21:55,291 --> 00:21:57,208 {\an8}It's coming from up there. 520 00:21:57,250 --> 00:22:00,041 And we were doing lots of experiments that no one 521 00:22:00,083 --> 00:22:01,458 has ever really done on the ranch. 522 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,667 {\an8}Oh, you see that? {\an8}Look, look, look. 523 00:22:03,709 --> 00:22:05,834 {\an5}SEGALA: That caused the entity, the phenomena, 524 00:22:05,875 --> 00:22:08,750 {\an1}whatever you want to call it, to actually show itself 525 00:22:08,792 --> 00:22:09,917 on a more frequent basis. 526 00:22:09,959 --> 00:22:11,333 THOMAS: That's a definite beam. 527 00:22:11,375 --> 00:22:14,166 It is clearly a beam going across there. 528 00:22:14,208 --> 00:22:15,875 What we're seeing might not just be 529 00:22:15,917 --> 00:22:18,208 {\an1}the reactions of the phenomena. 530 00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:20,625 {\an1}The phenomena might actually be {\an1}trying to tell us something 531 00:22:20,667 --> 00:22:23,625 or show us something or lead us to something. 532 00:22:23,667 --> 00:22:27,375 As you've seen {\an1}unidentified aerial phenomena 533 00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:31,834 appear simultaneous with other events, 534 00:22:31,875 --> 00:22:34,375 {\an1}does that constitute contact? 535 00:22:34,417 --> 00:22:40,333 {\an1}So, we didn't, as far as I can {\an1}tell, try and talk back to them, 536 00:22:40,375 --> 00:22:41,875 but we don't know that we didn't. 537 00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:44,667 We were launching rockets, for example, 538 00:22:44,709 --> 00:22:48,083 when, uh, a lot of them appeared over us. 539 00:22:48,125 --> 00:22:50,166 -Right. -Yeah. 540 00:22:50,208 --> 00:22:52,250 {\an7}TRAVIS: After having a month {\an8}to reflect on, uh, 541 00:22:52,291 --> 00:22:53,792 {\an8}all the things we did, 542 00:22:53,834 --> 00:22:56,291 {\an8}the one thing that I just {\an8}can't seem to, uh, 543 00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:57,917 {\an7}quit thinking about, really, 544 00:22:57,959 --> 00:23:00,125 {\an8}is while we were launching {\an8}those rockets, 545 00:23:00,166 --> 00:23:01,709 {\an7}we had all these experiences, 546 00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:03,792 {\an8}saw all these UFOs {\an8}appearing in the sky. 547 00:23:03,834 --> 00:23:05,625 -THOMAS: Look, look, look! -ERIK: What is that? 548 00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:07,250 TRAVIS: And we measured it with all these instruments. 549 00:23:07,291 --> 00:23:09,959 {\an1}I wonder, were we communicating with whatever 550 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,208 {\an1}this phenomenon is by launching these rockets and it said, 551 00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:14,583 "Hey, we're here," and they said, "Hey," back? 552 00:23:14,625 --> 00:23:16,000 -Oh, there it is again! -There it is again! 553 00:23:16,041 --> 00:23:18,083 {\an1}-It's still in the same spot. -BRYANT: Right there. 554 00:23:18,125 --> 00:23:21,208 There's some communication possibly taking place 555 00:23:21,250 --> 00:23:25,917 {\an1}in response to the experiments that you launched. 556 00:23:25,959 --> 00:23:27,959 -Right. -ERIK: And also, 557 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,792 if there are connections, what are they? 558 00:23:30,834 --> 00:23:34,083 {\an1}Are we intelligent enough, are {\an1}we intuitive enough, perhaps, 559 00:23:34,125 --> 00:23:38,083 {\an1}to-to understand if, in fact, {\an1}we're being communicated with? 560 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,458 {\an5}-Yep. -Do any of the things that we've observed 561 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:44,166 constitute communication? 562 00:23:44,208 --> 00:23:46,875 Well, there's absolutely no disputing the fact 563 00:23:46,917 --> 00:23:52,417 that we launched rockets, phenomena occurred. 564 00:23:52,458 --> 00:23:55,750 I mean, within seconds and minutes of each other. 565 00:23:55,792 --> 00:23:59,542 {\an1}It would be interesting to say it's just serendipitous, 566 00:23:59,583 --> 00:24:01,959 {\an1}but never before on the ranch 567 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,875 {\an1}have you guys reported a-- {\an1}this much activity at one time. 568 00:24:04,917 --> 00:24:06,291 JIM: Not to this level. 569 00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:09,125 -It's unexplainable. -Yep. 570 00:24:09,166 --> 00:24:12,625 {\an5}SEGALA: We've never had physical evidence 571 00:24:12,667 --> 00:24:14,625 that we actually saw with our own eyes. 572 00:24:14,667 --> 00:24:18,291 We've never had recorded, {\an1}electronically recorded data 573 00:24:18,333 --> 00:24:21,291 {\an1}that we took with instruments. I mean, this is amazing. 574 00:24:21,333 --> 00:24:23,125 {\an5}-Yeah. -SEAN: And for those of us who look at 575 00:24:23,166 --> 00:24:25,583 {\an4}-a lot of evidence, that's the {\an1}most credible type of evidence. -Yep. 576 00:24:25,625 --> 00:24:28,625 {\an1}The stuff that's happening right {\an1}in front of your eyes, right? 577 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:33,208 No-no chance for someone's {\an1}memory to-to fade or to distort, 578 00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:34,625 um, so that's im-- that's impressive. 579 00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:36,458 TRAVIS: {\an1}So-so, what it tells us is, 580 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:38,917 by-- without-- {\an1}beyond a shadow of a doubt, 581 00:24:38,959 --> 00:24:40,500 there is some phenomena occurring 582 00:24:40,542 --> 00:24:42,250 and we have measured the phenomena. 583 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:45,458 The phenomena is real. 584 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,125 Now the question is: what is this phenomena? 585 00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:49,959 -Fascinating. -SEGALA: So, 586 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,375 technologically now, we've advanced this whole thing, 587 00:24:52,417 --> 00:24:53,959 very, very high-- to a high level. 588 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,375 Which means that we can take the next level. 589 00:24:56,417 --> 00:24:58,166 {\an5}-Right. -Why can't we communicate with them? 590 00:24:58,208 --> 00:25:00,458 So, now that brings up all these moral issues, 591 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:01,959 {\an1}that falls on your shoulders. 592 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,125 TRAVIS: Whatever these are, 593 00:25:03,166 --> 00:25:04,959 are saying, "Hey." 594 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,250 Do we have permission to say hi back? 595 00:25:07,291 --> 00:25:09,291 {\an5}-Yeah. -SEAN: There are government agencies 596 00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:11,333 {\an1}and divisions for interactions. 597 00:25:11,375 --> 00:25:13,125 Uh, we had them when we flew to the Moon. 598 00:25:13,166 --> 00:25:15,542 {\an1}We had to prepare just in case, 599 00:25:15,583 --> 00:25:17,583 even in a one in a million chance 600 00:25:17,625 --> 00:25:19,750 {\an1}that we made first contact. 601 00:25:19,792 --> 00:25:23,166 How do we interact? Who's gonna interact? 602 00:25:23,208 --> 00:25:24,792 What-What's the message? 603 00:25:24,834 --> 00:25:27,417 {\an1}-Yeah, what are the protocols? -Yeah, that's right. 604 00:25:27,458 --> 00:25:29,375 -That's it. Exactly. -Right. 605 00:25:29,417 --> 00:25:31,291 Maybe that's what we do, is just follow, uh, 606 00:25:31,333 --> 00:25:34,000 what's in that particular guidance. 607 00:25:34,041 --> 00:25:35,333 Yeah. 608 00:25:35,375 --> 00:25:37,500 {\an5}-Right. -ERIK: You know, as I've been listening, 609 00:25:37,542 --> 00:25:40,834 {\an1}you know, my head is swimming with-with ideas 610 00:25:40,875 --> 00:25:42,875 about what it all means. 611 00:25:44,542 --> 00:25:46,917 Do you have something you'd like to share 612 00:25:46,959 --> 00:25:48,834 and illustrate for us? 613 00:25:48,875 --> 00:25:50,625 I do have something, if we're ready for that. 614 00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:04,291 {\an8}ERIK: {\an7}Recently, I've been preparing, 615 00:26:04,333 --> 00:26:05,834 {\an7}I guess, we'll call it a model 616 00:26:05,875 --> 00:26:08,500 {\an8}prompted by, uh, {\an8}measurements of RF, 617 00:26:08,542 --> 00:26:10,834 {\an8}in particular {\an8}microwave frequencies, 618 00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:13,166 {\an7}we've observed this summer. 619 00:26:13,208 --> 00:26:15,500 {\an8}For example, {\an8}if there were a source 620 00:26:15,542 --> 00:26:19,166 {\an7}projecting energy downward, {\an8}towards the ground, 621 00:26:19,208 --> 00:26:22,083 {\an7}then what we see in the model {\an8}represents how 622 00:26:22,125 --> 00:26:24,625 {\an7}it would be reflected by the {\an7}terrain into the space above. 623 00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:27,000 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an8}One of our theories is 624 00:26:27,041 --> 00:26:30,917 {\an7}that the Uinta Basin looks like {\an7}a very large, uh, radio antenna. 625 00:26:30,959 --> 00:26:32,959 It's a-a dish, 'cause it's shaped 626 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,875 -parabolically. -Right. 627 00:26:34,917 --> 00:26:36,333 {\an8}TRAVIS: {\an7}And so, if that's the case, 628 00:26:36,375 --> 00:26:38,583 {\an7}whatever these weird signals {\an8}we're seeing, 629 00:26:38,625 --> 00:26:41,000 {\an7}they're bouncing off of it {\an7}and being focused to somewhere, 630 00:26:41,041 --> 00:26:42,959 {\an8}just like a dish {\an8}focuses the energy. 631 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,709 ERIK: {\an1}So, Attorney General Reyes, 632 00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:47,166 {\an1}what we're doing is we're-we're {\an1}fleshing out a hypothesis. 633 00:26:47,208 --> 00:26:48,166 Okay? 634 00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:49,500 We have some measurements. 635 00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:52,000 We have some data that are very suggestive, 636 00:26:52,041 --> 00:26:54,750 that maybe what Travis just described 637 00:26:54,792 --> 00:26:57,625 is relevant somehow to what's going on. 638 00:26:57,667 --> 00:27:00,291 And so, to visualize that problem, 639 00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:01,959 {\an1}I decided to build this model. 640 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,583 So, what I'd like to do is to share 641 00:27:04,625 --> 00:27:07,375 some of the results of the modeling. 642 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:10,750 So, the data that we used {\an1}to build this model comes from 643 00:27:10,792 --> 00:27:13,875 the United States Geologic Survey. 644 00:27:13,917 --> 00:27:18,291 {\an1}This is terrain data that tells {\an1}us what the lay of the land is. 645 00:27:18,333 --> 00:27:19,542 {\an8}And we plugged that {\an8}into the model 646 00:27:19,583 --> 00:27:21,750 {\an8}and then turn it {\an8}into a reflector. 647 00:27:21,792 --> 00:27:25,625 {\an8}So we should all recognize {\an8}this geography. 648 00:27:26,625 --> 00:27:28,417 -BRANDON: Wow. -That's awesome. 649 00:27:28,458 --> 00:27:30,583 ERIK: So we're going to focus on 650 00:27:30,625 --> 00:27:32,333 the things that may happen that intersect 651 00:27:32,375 --> 00:27:34,417 with the ranch property. 652 00:27:34,458 --> 00:27:36,250 We are located 653 00:27:36,291 --> 00:27:38,625 {\an1}where you see that graphic. 654 00:27:38,667 --> 00:27:40,125 TRAVIS: {\an1}Right-- Almost dead center. 655 00:27:40,166 --> 00:27:41,375 ERIK: Yes. 656 00:27:41,417 --> 00:27:44,667 So, what I did was construct a... 657 00:27:44,709 --> 00:27:48,125 {\an1}60,000-square-kilometer mirror. 658 00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:50,917 And then producing a line 659 00:27:50,959 --> 00:27:54,250 of what you just described as radiation coming down 660 00:27:54,291 --> 00:27:56,083 from above, okay? 661 00:27:56,125 --> 00:27:59,333 So, we're going to look at how those rays, 662 00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:03,000 uh, interact with {\an1}and reflect from this surface, 663 00:28:03,041 --> 00:28:05,625 which is what this next visual shows us. 664 00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:08,667 -BRANDON: Wow. -JIM: Geez, Louise. 665 00:28:09,959 --> 00:28:11,583 ERIK: {\an1}This represents measurements 666 00:28:11,625 --> 00:28:14,959 of microwave frequencies that we had in the summer. 667 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,417 We are looking at 668 00:28:16,458 --> 00:28:19,041 parallel rays of energy coming down from above. 669 00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:21,792 {\an1}Primarily for long wavelengths, 670 00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:24,458 {\an1}not necessarily visible light. 671 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,083 {\an5}-BRYANT: Incredible. It's really cool. -Yeah. 672 00:28:27,125 --> 00:28:29,709 If you'll look at the ones right in the center, 673 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,125 they're being focused. 674 00:28:31,166 --> 00:28:32,625 And the ones at the edge, 675 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:35,417 you can see {\an1}there is a significant focus, 676 00:28:35,458 --> 00:28:38,250 where these things {\an1}are being brought to a point 677 00:28:38,291 --> 00:28:40,500 and there's mu-- {\an1}a big concentration of energy 678 00:28:40,542 --> 00:28:41,792 up here somewhere. 679 00:28:41,834 --> 00:28:44,834 If you think about it, that is amazing. 680 00:28:44,875 --> 00:28:45,917 Erik, this is so cool. 681 00:28:45,959 --> 00:28:47,208 Impressive. 682 00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:48,917 TRAVIS: {\an1}Based on Erik's visualization, 683 00:28:48,959 --> 00:28:50,917 {\an1}I believe that the Uinta Basin 684 00:28:50,959 --> 00:28:53,000 could be acting {\an1}almost like a satellite dish, 685 00:28:53,041 --> 00:28:54,291 one that both collects 686 00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:57,750 and directs energy {\an1}from somewhere out in space. 687 00:28:57,792 --> 00:28:59,542 Big question. 688 00:28:59,583 --> 00:29:03,458 What could be causing this energy? 689 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:04,458 TRAVIS: That's the big question. 690 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,208 {\an1}That is the question of the day. 691 00:29:06,250 --> 00:29:08,041 TRAVIS: {\an1}So, there's two possibilities. 692 00:29:08,083 --> 00:29:10,208 Right now, we're thinking, "Okay, it's a-- 693 00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,208 it's a-- it's a reflective dish." 694 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,041 And so maybe the energy's coming from space 695 00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:17,417 and it hits {\an1}and it's being focused up. Or... 696 00:29:17,458 --> 00:29:19,208 the other possibility is 697 00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:22,208 {\an1}this could be acting like a lens and not just a dish. 698 00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:25,375 {\an1}The source could be down here, inside the Earth, 699 00:29:25,417 --> 00:29:27,959 and coming up through it and focusing. 700 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,417 {\an1}But to what end, we don't know. 701 00:29:29,458 --> 00:29:32,041 {\an1}And-and we've got to come up with other measurements 702 00:29:32,083 --> 00:29:33,875 to figure out {\an1}where the energy's coming from. 703 00:29:33,917 --> 00:29:35,083 Hmm. 704 00:29:35,125 --> 00:29:37,166 {\an5}BRYANT: So, we've had the debate of whether 705 00:29:37,208 --> 00:29:40,208 it's below the Earth {\an1}or coming from above. I mean, 706 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,709 it could be a combination of the two. 707 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:43,834 Absolutely. I agree. I agree 100%. 708 00:29:43,875 --> 00:29:45,417 There's a source and a destination, 709 00:29:45,458 --> 00:29:46,917 -whether, you know... -Yeah. Yeah, there's-- 710 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,375 One of them's a-- There's {\an1}a source and-and to what end. 711 00:29:49,417 --> 00:29:51,291 We got to find out where they're coming from. 712 00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:52,542 Yeah. 713 00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,959 ERIK: Now, this also reminds me 714 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,375 of something that-- 715 00:29:56,417 --> 00:29:59,208 {\an1}what I found kind of troubling during the summer. 716 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:02,041 {\an1}You recall, you did an exercise 717 00:30:02,083 --> 00:30:05,750 {\an1}where you seemingly located a source, 718 00:30:05,792 --> 00:30:08,583 {\an1}uh, a concentration of signals, 719 00:30:08,625 --> 00:30:10,250 uh, fairly low. 720 00:30:10,291 --> 00:30:12,834 At about 5,000 feet. And {\an1}I was just thinking about that. 721 00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:14,417 ERIK: Right, and could you point 722 00:30:14,458 --> 00:30:16,834 in the-- in the vicinity {\an1}of where you think that was? 723 00:30:16,875 --> 00:30:18,250 TRAVIS: Yeah. 724 00:30:18,291 --> 00:30:20,250 So, right in here, 725 00:30:20,291 --> 00:30:22,667 you can see there is {\an1}some convergence right there. 726 00:30:22,709 --> 00:30:24,792 There was a local focus, 727 00:30:24,834 --> 00:30:27,375 and we launched a weather {\an1}balloon with radio frequency 728 00:30:27,417 --> 00:30:28,875 {\an1}and microwave instruments on it. 729 00:30:28,917 --> 00:30:30,709 And when it got to about that height, 730 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:32,583 {\an1}the instruments started failing. 731 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:35,125 {\an8}You guys ready? 732 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:36,834 {\an5}-Yep, we're good. {\an5}-Yep. Good to go. TRAVIS: All right, here we go. 733 00:30:36,875 --> 00:30:38,917 {\an1}All right, slowly let it up. 734 00:30:38,959 --> 00:30:41,166 All right, keep going. You're good. 735 00:30:41,208 --> 00:30:43,875 {\an1}-THOMAS: Okay, we're clear. -TRAVIS: All right. 736 00:30:43,917 --> 00:30:45,583 THOMAS: Man, that's a big balloon. 737 00:30:45,625 --> 00:30:48,208 Yeah, ain't that cool? 738 00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:49,625 THOMAS: {\an1}Man, that's a long ways up. 739 00:30:49,667 --> 00:30:51,583 TRAVIS: Heck yeah. 740 00:30:51,625 --> 00:30:53,583 It failed right there, 741 00:30:53,625 --> 00:30:55,917 which suggests {\an1}maybe the power was so high 742 00:30:55,959 --> 00:30:58,208 that it burned out the instruments. 743 00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:59,834 Wow. 744 00:30:59,875 --> 00:31:02,041 {\an5}BRYANT: {\an1}And whether it's just bad luck or not, 745 00:31:02,083 --> 00:31:03,667 {\an1}we never recovered the balloon, even. 746 00:31:03,709 --> 00:31:05,333 -SEAN: Interesting. {\an1}-BRANDON: You never recovered 747 00:31:05,375 --> 00:31:06,417 -the balloon? -BRYANT: No. No. 748 00:31:06,458 --> 00:31:07,792 TRAVIS: {\an1}And we had GPS trackers on it. 749 00:31:07,834 --> 00:31:10,125 So, you lost it. When it hit that point, 750 00:31:10,166 --> 00:31:12,709 {\an1}all of the instruments failed? 751 00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:14,125 All the other instruments failed. 752 00:31:14,166 --> 00:31:15,500 What? 753 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:18,875 Wow. 754 00:31:20,875 --> 00:31:23,041 TRAVIS: {\an1}You know, it's really intriguing 755 00:31:23,083 --> 00:31:26,250 and, um, actually {\an1}kind of startling a little bit 756 00:31:26,291 --> 00:31:28,500 {\an1}is I've been contacted by, uh, 757 00:31:28,542 --> 00:31:30,083 some folks {\an1}in the intelligence community 758 00:31:30,125 --> 00:31:34,000 that are really interested in what we've found. 759 00:31:34,041 --> 00:31:36,166 BRYANT: So, 760 00:31:36,208 --> 00:31:37,375 is it they approached you? 761 00:31:37,417 --> 00:31:38,500 {\an1}How have they heard about... 762 00:31:38,542 --> 00:31:40,208 They approached us. 763 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:42,667 {\an1}Wow. So we're being monitored? 764 00:31:42,709 --> 00:31:44,125 Yep. 765 00:31:51,834 --> 00:31:54,458 {\an8}So we're being monitored? 766 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,500 {\an7}There are people interested {\an8}in what we are doing. 767 00:31:56,542 --> 00:31:58,166 {\an7}I find that really intriguing. 768 00:31:58,208 --> 00:32:01,375 {\an7}They're gonna tell us something, {\an8}I don't know what. 769 00:32:01,417 --> 00:32:04,125 {\an7}But my suspicion is they've {\an7}measured a similar phenomenon, 770 00:32:04,166 --> 00:32:06,250 {\an8}don't know what it is, {\an7}and they want to compare notes. 771 00:32:06,291 --> 00:32:09,083 {\an8}And I find that {\an8}really intriguing. 772 00:32:09,125 --> 00:32:11,625 {\an8}It's very strange. 773 00:32:11,667 --> 00:32:13,125 {\an8}Hmm. 774 00:32:13,166 --> 00:32:14,625 {\an7}So what this tells us though is 775 00:32:14,667 --> 00:32:17,083 {\an8}there are real government {\an8}organizations, 776 00:32:17,125 --> 00:32:19,875 {\an8}who are interested {\an8}in this phenomena 777 00:32:19,917 --> 00:32:22,625 {\an7}and-and are taking it seriously. 778 00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:23,792 BRANDON: Wow. 779 00:32:23,834 --> 00:32:26,083 TRAVIS: After being contacted 780 00:32:26,125 --> 00:32:27,709 by representatives of the government, 781 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:29,750 including some folks {\an1}in the intelligence community, 782 00:32:29,792 --> 00:32:32,125 it was clear to me that someone had 783 00:32:32,166 --> 00:32:34,375 {\an1}been following our progress on the ranch. 784 00:32:34,417 --> 00:32:36,917 {\an8}THOMAS: {\an7}Look at that-- what is that? 785 00:32:36,959 --> 00:32:39,125 {\an5}-There's a helicopter right up there. -Yeah, sure is. 786 00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:40,750 THOMAS: You can hear it. 787 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,709 {\an5}TRAVIS: That dude's hovering right there. 788 00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:44,875 I think somebody's watching us right now. 789 00:32:44,917 --> 00:32:46,542 That's exactly what it looks like. 790 00:32:46,583 --> 00:32:48,458 {\an5}TRAVIS: I think they're-they're watching us, guys. 791 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,083 {\an5}ERIK: So, guys, I'm gonna try to go in, 792 00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:51,500 and look at the transponder data. 793 00:32:51,542 --> 00:32:52,959 See if I can figure out who it is. 794 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,792 {\an1}Yeah, that's a good idea, Erik. 795 00:32:56,834 --> 00:32:59,250 They should by law, right, be transponding. 796 00:32:59,291 --> 00:33:00,875 What we got, Erik? 797 00:33:00,917 --> 00:33:02,542 {\an1}They didn't show up at all. 798 00:33:04,041 --> 00:33:05,834 BRYANT: So do you have a fear 799 00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:08,250 {\an1}that there's the possibility {\an1}of them shutting us down or...? 800 00:33:08,291 --> 00:33:10,500 -TRAVIS: No, you know... {\an1}-I don't think so, I think it's 801 00:33:10,542 --> 00:33:13,083 {\an1}more they're gonna encourage us to go in a direction. 802 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:14,959 But do they want 803 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,625 the world to know what's happening? 804 00:33:16,667 --> 00:33:19,208 They won't tell anybody. 805 00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:21,083 {\an1}They may not, but, I mean... 806 00:33:21,125 --> 00:33:22,333 I doubt they will acknowledge that they 807 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:23,625 {\an1}ever had the meeting with us. 808 00:33:23,667 --> 00:33:24,792 {\an8}Uh, but they will know 809 00:33:24,834 --> 00:33:26,875 {\an7}what we know at that point. 810 00:33:26,917 --> 00:33:28,792 Yeah, the fact that we're being monitored, 811 00:33:28,834 --> 00:33:32,709 that our efforts {\an1}have received a higher level 812 00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:35,625 of attention and awareness within those channels, 813 00:33:35,667 --> 00:33:39,000 {\an1}I think speaks to the reality of this ranch. 814 00:33:39,041 --> 00:33:40,208 Absolutely, I agree. 815 00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:41,291 I agree 100%. 816 00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:43,083 BRANDON: As we have obtained 817 00:33:43,125 --> 00:33:44,875 {\an1}all of this data and evidence, 818 00:33:44,917 --> 00:33:46,542 I think now 819 00:33:46,583 --> 00:33:48,625 it is our responsibility to take this forward. 820 00:33:48,667 --> 00:33:50,667 But I'd like to hear 821 00:33:50,709 --> 00:33:52,583 from the team, you know, 822 00:33:52,625 --> 00:33:54,041 {\an1}what do we need to implement 823 00:33:54,083 --> 00:33:55,709 that will help us advance this research 824 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:57,250 to the next level? 825 00:33:57,291 --> 00:33:59,417 ERIK: {\an1}So, naturally, I'm interested 826 00:33:59,458 --> 00:34:02,959 in increasing our instrumentation bandwidth. 827 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,500 Our virtual presence on the property. 828 00:34:05,542 --> 00:34:08,083 I mean, we can't always be present. 829 00:34:08,125 --> 00:34:09,625 At the same time, I have a feeling-- 830 00:34:09,667 --> 00:34:11,834 more than a feeling-- I have the data 831 00:34:11,875 --> 00:34:14,250 {\an1}that suggests that there are things taking place 832 00:34:14,291 --> 00:34:18,041 {\an5}all the time that are {\an5}part of this puzzle, and we want to collect {\an1}as much of that as possible. 833 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:20,208 BRYANT: That's a great idea. 834 00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:22,834 {\an5}TRAVIS: So another experiment that we really should do, 835 00:34:22,875 --> 00:34:25,792 {\an1}also, is that we should design 836 00:34:25,834 --> 00:34:31,792 and construct a very good, small satellite platform 837 00:34:31,834 --> 00:34:34,917 that we can get launched as a secondary payload, 838 00:34:34,959 --> 00:34:37,417 uh, pretty much for free-- NASA has projects-- 839 00:34:37,458 --> 00:34:39,542 especially if we involve a university. 840 00:34:39,583 --> 00:34:41,542 {\an5}They'll launch it {\an5}for you for free. You don't have to pay to get it launched. 841 00:34:41,583 --> 00:34:43,500 And-and we would put it in an orbit 842 00:34:43,542 --> 00:34:45,208 that goes over the ranch. 843 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:46,583 BRANDON: Wow. 844 00:34:46,625 --> 00:34:48,542 TRAVIS: And so that we would 845 00:34:48,583 --> 00:34:50,333 {\an1}continually get data from it. 846 00:34:50,375 --> 00:34:51,458 Wow. 847 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,208 TRAVIS: I want to try and 848 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:57,000 reproduce stimulating the phenomenon. 849 00:34:57,041 --> 00:35:00,291 Like the rocket test day, where we were 850 00:35:00,333 --> 00:35:02,000 doing measurements with the rockets, 851 00:35:02,041 --> 00:35:05,125 and then, suddenly, we see so many phenomena. 852 00:35:05,166 --> 00:35:07,667 I want to see if we can reproduce that. 853 00:35:07,709 --> 00:35:10,458 {\an1}Thomas has-has said before, maybe the ranch 854 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,041 {\an1}gets immune to it and we have to {\an1}bring it up a notch each time. 855 00:35:14,083 --> 00:35:17,291 You know, do we do twice {\an1}as many rockets the next time? 856 00:35:17,333 --> 00:35:19,542 {\an1}Or do we do one bigger rocket? 857 00:35:19,583 --> 00:35:22,000 {\an5}-That is something we should really look at. -Right. 858 00:35:22,041 --> 00:35:24,000 SEGALA: So what I would propose, 859 00:35:24,041 --> 00:35:27,041 {\an1}I think that it's important {\an1}that we have a medical program 860 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:29,625 with protocols in place before anybody 861 00:35:29,667 --> 00:35:32,125 steps back on that ranch in a significant way. 862 00:35:32,166 --> 00:35:33,834 BRANDON: Yeah, health and safety 863 00:35:33,875 --> 00:35:36,166 is going to be important, {\an1}especially given the fact that 864 00:35:36,208 --> 00:35:38,041 Tom and Travis 865 00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:40,583 both went to the hospital as a result 866 00:35:40,625 --> 00:35:43,542 of the activities over the last few months. 867 00:35:43,583 --> 00:35:45,875 {\an5}TRAVIS: It would've been great to have had 868 00:35:45,917 --> 00:35:47,625 my vitals and all that 869 00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:50,083 being recorded {\an1}when the dosimeter went off, 870 00:35:50,125 --> 00:35:51,917 and said I was exposed to radiation. 871 00:35:51,959 --> 00:35:53,583 SEGALA: {\an1}There is something going on. 872 00:35:53,625 --> 00:35:55,667 It seems to emanate from the ground. 873 00:35:55,709 --> 00:35:58,834 {\an1}How can we learn more about it? 874 00:35:58,875 --> 00:36:00,750 {\an5}TRAVIS: {\an1}That's what I want to know-- how can we get 875 00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:02,500 a really deep core sample? 876 00:36:02,542 --> 00:36:05,333 {\an1}Like, like, can we dig really, really, really deep? 877 00:36:05,375 --> 00:36:07,041 BRYANT: How do you feel about 878 00:36:07,083 --> 00:36:09,500 {\an1}doing that digging, though, or {\an1}would you want to hire somebody? 879 00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:11,417 Because even when we did the core drilling, 880 00:36:11,458 --> 00:36:14,792 you know, you chose to position yourself away. 881 00:36:14,834 --> 00:36:16,375 And you're the one that has suffered 882 00:36:16,417 --> 00:36:17,667 {\an1}the ramifications of the digging 883 00:36:17,709 --> 00:36:19,500 and this goes way back to what we talked about 884 00:36:19,542 --> 00:36:21,458 when we first began this exercise. 885 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,917 I don't want to put you in harm's way. 886 00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:33,875 {\an8}BRYANT: How do you feel {\an8}about doing that digging? 887 00:36:33,917 --> 00:36:36,750 {\an8}I don't want to put you {\an8}in harm's way. 888 00:36:36,792 --> 00:36:39,792 {\an7}I don't want you to feel like {\an8}you're pushed into that. 889 00:36:39,834 --> 00:36:41,125 {\an8}THOMAS: {\an8}Well, the points 890 00:36:41,166 --> 00:36:43,291 {\an8}that we identified {\an8}are not that deep. 891 00:36:43,333 --> 00:36:44,959 {\an8}They're not that far down. 892 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,041 {\an1}15, 20 feet is not a big deal. 893 00:36:47,083 --> 00:36:48,834 I'm just gonna wear my tinfoil hard hat. 894 00:36:48,875 --> 00:36:52,500 (laughter) 895 00:36:52,542 --> 00:36:54,208 {\an5}THOMAS: I do have a lot of people around me 896 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:56,750 {\an1}that think, without a doubt, 897 00:36:56,792 --> 00:36:58,750 my injury was tied to the digging. 898 00:36:58,792 --> 00:37:01,333 Well, it's not conclusive that it was the digging. 899 00:37:01,375 --> 00:37:03,500 So that's why there's part of me that said, 900 00:37:03,542 --> 00:37:06,083 "Yeah, I would, {\an1}I'd just be very cautious." 901 00:37:06,125 --> 00:37:09,417 I have a question for you guys, though. 902 00:37:09,458 --> 00:37:12,792 {\an8}For the first time since {\an8}you've owned the ranch, 903 00:37:12,834 --> 00:37:15,625 {\an8}this is the largest group {\an7}of people to be on that ranch. 904 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,458 {\an7}And I know, you know, you were, 905 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:19,417 {\an8}you were giving me {\an7}a hard time at the beginning 906 00:37:19,458 --> 00:37:21,041 {\an7}'cause you said it's almost like 907 00:37:21,083 --> 00:37:22,667 {\an8}you guys talk as if {\an7}this ranch has a personality. 908 00:37:22,709 --> 00:37:25,041 Because we talked about how when you introduce... 909 00:37:25,083 --> 00:37:27,917 {\an5}-It responds, yeah. -...somebody new, the ranch responds. 910 00:37:27,959 --> 00:37:30,458 {\an5}-It's not a person. -It's a place, it's not a, it's not a, an entity. 911 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,041 But it responded. 912 00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:35,875 -Yeah. -I have to tell you guys, 913 00:37:35,917 --> 00:37:37,542 when Brandon first invited me in, 914 00:37:37,583 --> 00:37:39,000 {\an1}the first day I came in here, 915 00:37:39,041 --> 00:37:41,834 I honestly didn't know what to expect. 916 00:37:41,875 --> 00:37:44,917 {\an8}But I didn't think {\an8}you guys were really onto 917 00:37:44,959 --> 00:37:47,542 {\an8}what you were onto {\an8}because I don't believe 918 00:37:47,583 --> 00:37:51,834 {\an7}99% of the things that people {\an7}claim they've seen, right? 919 00:37:51,875 --> 00:37:55,083 {\an8}I think this is {\an8}in that one percent 920 00:37:55,125 --> 00:37:57,291 {\an7}of the unexplainable weirdness-- {\an8}the "what is it?" 921 00:37:57,333 --> 00:37:59,291 {\an8}And now we've 922 00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:02,166 {\an8}got indisputable evidence 923 00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:05,875 {\an7}that there is a real phenomenon {\an8}that's happening 924 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:07,291 {\an8}that is unexplainable. 925 00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:08,625 {\an7}Whatever you want to call it. 926 00:38:08,667 --> 00:38:10,041 {\an8}High strangeness? 927 00:38:10,083 --> 00:38:12,250 {\an8}It's real and it's there. 928 00:38:12,291 --> 00:38:15,208 {\an1}And I think the ramifications of it is world-changing. 929 00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:16,834 Agreed. 930 00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:18,667 And I'll tell you what I told you 931 00:38:18,709 --> 00:38:20,333 when we started on this adventure. 932 00:38:20,375 --> 00:38:22,208 I truly believe now more than ever, 933 00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:24,959 if this ranch can help us better understand 934 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,041 {\an1}the nature of the universe, 935 00:38:27,083 --> 00:38:29,166 and perhaps confirm that we're not alone, 936 00:38:29,208 --> 00:38:31,792 this will indeed be 937 00:38:31,834 --> 00:38:35,625 {\an1}the greatest science project and endeavor of all time. 938 00:38:37,125 --> 00:38:38,917 -Right. -And... 939 00:38:38,959 --> 00:38:41,458 as we move forward and take next steps, 940 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,500 {\an1}we appreciate you coming in and spending the time. 941 00:38:43,542 --> 00:38:45,208 Well, you have {\an1}my personal interest, Brandon. 942 00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:48,375 {\an1}And I just want to make sure you all understand, 943 00:38:48,417 --> 00:38:50,083 {\an1}I take this very seriously. 944 00:38:50,125 --> 00:38:53,041 {\an1}And so, as you all continue 945 00:38:53,083 --> 00:38:54,875 {\an1}to validate, replicate, uh... 946 00:38:54,917 --> 00:38:58,792 {\an1}and investigate, uh, even more, I am anxious to see 947 00:38:58,834 --> 00:39:01,208 {\an1}what the next... step brings. 948 00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:05,208 And I think that {\an1}only helps the entire state. 949 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:07,458 -So thanks very much. -Thank you very much. 950 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,542 {\an1}-We appreciate that endorsement. -BRANDON: Thank you. 951 00:39:09,583 --> 00:39:11,583 We'll continue to keep you informed, 952 00:39:11,625 --> 00:39:14,291 as to what we continue to observe. 953 00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:17,709 And, ultimately, what we {\an1}discover as we move forward. 954 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:19,458 -Let's go. {\an1}-BRANDON: Thank you, gentlemen. 955 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,583 {\an1}Great, looking forward to it. 956 00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:24,000 {\an5}BRANDON: {\an1}Given the extraordinary events that have been observed 957 00:39:24,041 --> 00:39:26,333 and recorded over the last several months, 958 00:39:26,375 --> 00:39:27,875 I believe that we 959 00:39:27,917 --> 00:39:30,458 have a responsibility to take this forward 960 00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,417 in a, in a more aggressive fashion. 961 00:39:34,458 --> 00:39:36,667 It's not a matter of if 962 00:39:36,709 --> 00:39:38,417 {\an1}something is going to happen. 963 00:39:38,458 --> 00:39:41,417 It's a matter of when that will happen 964 00:39:41,458 --> 00:39:43,458 {\an1}and if we are truly prepared. 965 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:44,667 -There it is! -There it is again. 966 00:39:44,709 --> 00:39:46,583 It is clearly a beam. 967 00:39:46,625 --> 00:39:47,834 SEGALA: This was an amazing summer. 968 00:39:47,875 --> 00:39:49,041 Ignition! 969 00:39:49,083 --> 00:39:50,250 I think the pinnacle 970 00:39:50,291 --> 00:39:53,041 {\an1}was that we actually saw UFOs. 971 00:39:53,083 --> 00:39:54,583 -Look, look, look! -What is that? 972 00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:56,291 Now that we know exactly what they look like 973 00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:58,250 in the sky, we can start tracking these things. 974 00:39:58,291 --> 00:40:00,375 {\an1}We can actually set up a system 975 00:40:00,417 --> 00:40:02,417 {\an1}that can communicate with them 976 00:40:02,458 --> 00:40:04,417 in some regard, by sending them signals 977 00:40:04,458 --> 00:40:06,250 to see if they respond. 978 00:40:06,291 --> 00:40:08,625 -There it is again! -SEGALA: That would be 979 00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:13,083 {\an5}the next step in this {\an5}evolution of trying to figure out what they are doing here, 980 00:40:13,125 --> 00:40:14,709 {\an1}and why they picked this ranch 981 00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:16,834 or this area to do it. 982 00:40:16,875 --> 00:40:19,208 BRYANT: {\an1}When I first came to the ranch, 983 00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:21,542 I was kind of an agnostic, when it came to the place. 984 00:40:21,583 --> 00:40:24,417 {\an1}It's not that I didn't believe {\an1}that things were happening, 985 00:40:24,458 --> 00:40:27,458 {\an1}but they sounded pretty amazing and outlandish to me. 986 00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:28,875 {\an1}Oh-oh, right here, over here! 987 00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:31,166 -Right there. -That's it. 988 00:40:31,208 --> 00:40:33,542 But after experiencing what I did this summer, 989 00:40:33,583 --> 00:40:36,250 there's no doubt in my mind that there's a phenomenon 990 00:40:36,291 --> 00:40:38,166 or something taking place there 991 00:40:38,208 --> 00:40:40,250 that has completely shaken my understanding 992 00:40:40,291 --> 00:40:41,875 on what reality really is. 993 00:40:41,917 --> 00:40:43,375 {\an1}You got to see a UFO, dude. 994 00:40:43,417 --> 00:40:45,250 {\an1}Dumbfounded, yeah, it's crazy. 995 00:40:45,291 --> 00:40:48,500 As we move forward, {\an1}I think that we could really 996 00:40:48,542 --> 00:40:50,500 {\an1}uncover something that could 997 00:40:50,542 --> 00:40:54,458 make people like myself see the world differently. 998 00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:55,875 Tom, you all right? 999 00:40:55,917 --> 00:40:58,667 Well, let's get you the heck out of here, man. 1000 00:40:58,709 --> 00:40:59,750 THOMAS: Well, as they say, 1001 00:40:59,792 --> 00:41:02,083 we've opened up a can. 1002 00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:04,417 And we have just begun 1003 00:41:04,458 --> 00:41:07,417 to scratch the surface of what's happening here. 1004 00:41:07,458 --> 00:41:10,709 For every answer that we're {\an1}getting in our investigation, 1005 00:41:10,750 --> 00:41:13,208 we're creating ten more questions. 1006 00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:15,166 What in the world? It's just dead. 1007 00:41:15,208 --> 00:41:17,291 THOMAS: And who knows 1008 00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:20,041 what crazy and amazing things are in store. 1009 00:41:20,083 --> 00:41:23,250 -Audio beacon is on. -Let it rip. 1010 00:41:23,291 --> 00:41:25,834 Ain't that cool. 1011 00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:27,458 It's absolutely inconceivable... 1012 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:29,500 {\an8}-Oh! {\an8}-...the amount of things 1013 00:41:29,542 --> 00:41:32,625 that we experienced and saw {\an1}and measured over the summer. 1014 00:41:32,667 --> 00:41:36,125 This looks like there's {\an1}something a thousand feet long. 1015 00:41:36,166 --> 00:41:39,375 {\an7}We have indisputable proof that {\an7}there is an unusual phenomenon 1016 00:41:39,417 --> 00:41:42,500 {\an7}that is not a normal occurrence. 1017 00:41:42,542 --> 00:41:44,500 {\an8}I'm excited about it. 1018 00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:47,166 {\an8}I can't wait to go back {\an8}and do more experiments. 1019 00:41:47,208 --> 00:41:49,834 {\an8}I can't wait to see {\an8}what is out there. 1020 00:41:49,875 --> 00:41:52,417 {\an8}Skinwalker Ranch may hold {\an8}secrets to the universe 1021 00:41:52,458 --> 00:41:53,875 {\an8}that we've yet to uncover.